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carbungle: <user name=fontech> (363)

[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-11 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah... you had the right idea, but maybe not the right words.

[His fingers scan through the exchange again, over her words. Like himself, her replies had been shorter, to the point, bothered by the direction the conversation had taken. Meanwhile Era had been full to bursting with words, desperate to share with someone she didn't even like. To him, it didn't make sense after everything she'd criticized with regards to Pyra and how they interacted.]

Maybe you have to say it. Be more clear about what you want, or what you need to have a fair conversation, otherwise it's way too easy to just steamroll right over you. [He turns the communicator towards her.] You asked her why, and you asked her to take it to Stark instead. You never said "stop".
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[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-11 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
[He watches her for a moment, worried, then sets the communicator aside and reaches over to cup her face, urging her to look at him.]

Hey. Remember what you told me? If an apology makes you feel worse, then it isn't an apology. [His thumbs brush over her cheeks, his expression a wavering balance between gentle and firm.] You don't have to talk to her if it makes you feel like this. You can walk away.
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[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-11 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
[That catches him off guard, and he hesitates.]

This isn't about me...

[Their apologies - and their circumstances - were different, weren't they? She's under no obligation to accept Era's flaws, any more than he'd want to force Era to do the same. That had been part of their last conversation, before the fight in Valeo. He'd told her this needed to stop. Your traumas aren't compatible. Pyra shouldn't have to put up with it, they're not family by choice or blood. They're not even friends. She can walk away.

By her expression, though, and her reaction to what he'd said... he'd taken the wrong path somewhere, and he's not sure how to adjust his course. The apology hadn't seemed so terrible, but everything that followed made it lose sincerity. It's a good idea to set boundaries, isn't it? Or...]
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[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-11 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
[He sits frozen for a long moment as she speaks, listening carefully, allowing those words to sink in through the cloud of confusion that lay between what he'd meant and what she's feeling. Satisfied? No, of course not. What Pyra had had to endure is terrible and uncalled for. It isn't acceptable under any circumstances. To get scolded and ranted at in the middle of an attempted apology, lectured, dismissed further, as if nothing at all has changed...]

I wouldn't... I wouldn't be okay with it.

[The words come slowly, as if he's hesitant to commit to them, lest he say something wrong again. He wouldn't accept them as okay, he wouldn't be satisfied by them. He'd probably listen, as Pyra had done, but that isn't the same. It's different for him, he's-

-his breath catches then, a bit of understanding dawning in his expression. It's different for him, in his mind, but he's not trying to tackle the problem for her. He's telling her to do what he does. He wants her to defend herself or back off if he's not there. He'd wanted to help her with that because...

"I don't trust her with it."

...because... this apology, this behaviour, came after the better one he'd received from Era, when she said she'd gotten help. Three days. She'd lasted three days of failed therapy and given up on help from an outside source, taken that anger out on Pyra with little provocation. And he doesn't trust Era to listen and respond accordingly so the burden is on Pyra to protect herself, like it is on him.

It's wrong. It's wrong, and he'd-]


Shit, [he curses softly and looks at Pyra with wide eyes, stricken as realization rushes through him like a tidal wave.] Pyra- Pyra, I'm sorry. I- can I start over?
carbungle: <user name=fontech> (341)

[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-13 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
[Okay... okay, he's got another chance at this. Whether he thinks he's earned it or not (and he does not), he'll take it gratefully. He just has to manage not to screw it up this time.

...No pressure.

He looks down at the communicator again, pursing his lips in a tight crease. Be kinder to himself... as in, don't just accept it as things are, don't blame himself, don't fall into the pit of believing that it's only his behaviour that can change or that this is the way things are and always will be. Because... if he believes that for himself, then he's believing it for Pyra, too. Originally, he'd thought that the rules were different for them both, that he can accept it, but she shouldn't have to. But that's not right. It isn't fair. And this isn't how he should approach this sort of thing. And in practice he'd failed to pull that off anyway.

His fingers curl more tightly, and he takes a deep breath.]


What she did... what she said. She shouldn't have done that. You don't deserve it, and I've just been giving excuses for it. I didn't want to say she was wrong. I... sometimes I can't.

[It's difficult for him. He hates to admit how challenging it is, to point at the behaviour of someone he cares about and go that's wrong, because it hurts me. It used to be easier to do when they were hurting someone else. Now... now, it's harder regardless. The crystal made everything harder.

...But he can only use that excuse for so many things before it rings too hollow. What happened in the crystal might be the source, but he's still the one who has to corral those thoughts and turn them into something less harmful to those around him- and himself.]


You did try. You tried a few times, and she wasn't listening to you. That's not your fault. I want you to keep trying, I want you to be strong and stand up for yourself because you deserve better, but even if you never did, that wouldn't make this okay. It's- it's wrong for her to assume the worst and act like it's some kind of moral high ground. She can't throw all this info at you when you never asked for it, and then be angry that you don't do the same, or just lie down and take it. [He looks up, meeting her gaze worriedly.] I'm proud of you for trying... and I'm sorry it's taking me so long to get there.
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[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-13 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
[The relief he feels is palpable when she answers. It's not complete absolution- this is a lesson, one he sorely needed. To do better next time, to be more attentive to what he's saying and how he's handling a particular problem. For her, and for him. They're a team, and he ought to be tackling these issues as a team. He can't just do what he's always done and act like it's good enough. It shouldn't be good enough. His desire to protect her should make him stronger, it shouldn't make him drag her down to his level of excusing and pretending this is acceptable.

Gently he tugs her in, giving her a proper hug, squeezing her tight and resting his head on her hair.]


It sucks, [he mumbles.] Feeling like this sucks. I don't want you to accept it. You don't deserve it, and... you're right, I don't, either. We're allowed to ask not to be hurt. And we don't have to accept the blame when asking doesn't change anything.
carbungle: <user name=fontech> (174)

[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-13 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
[He takes those signs that he did right by her this time, and he relaxes into her embrace, nodding against her shoulder and resting quietly like that for a little while. It's strange, but he actually does feel better, now that it's out there. There'd been something fundamentally missing from where they'd started, and he's glad they managed to get here somehow. And Pyra's happier to have had the support she deserves, he can tell by the way she holds him. Nothing was truly resolved, the conflict still exists, for both of them. Still, he feels more... satisfied.

Huh.]


Pyra, um...

[He draws back a bit, looking more calm but still somewhat uneased.]

Era talked about therapy. And she's confirmed it was Stark who was supposed to be helping her. ["Helping", in the biggest of fake quotation marks ever.] She told me she wasn't going anymore, but she sent me some stuff she was gonna self-study with, in case it helped me. I... it was kind of a lot. [He's done heavy reading before, but not like this.] And if it's the method they're using... [They're not going great so far.] ...Can I get your opinion on it?

[The methodology feels clumsy to him. There are references and through lines to things he has no pathway to comprehending, no expertise to parse the information. He's certain she's more knowledgeable than him overall, so maybe she can get something out of it that he can't.

He's... also pretty sure that self-therapy doesn't work. It's hard not to be skeptical of this.]
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[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-15 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah... thanks. [His response is a noncommittal mumble, but it does come with a tiny smile.] Probably overdue.

[Better late than never... it isn't something he'd felt like he was allowed to do before, but at this point, what even does he have to lose?

He has some thoughts on that idea of self-therapy himself as well, which is why he's questioning it now. When she gives her assent, he gets his communicator and loads up one of the resources he'd been sent, passing it over to let her peruse as she pleases. He's not sure whether to read over her shoulder or let her explore the text in peace, so he shifts uncomfortably between the two, remaining close.]
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[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-19 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
Harsh... that's a good word for it, I think.

[At least, that's how it felt to him, as he perused the steps. Questions on questions on questions- like every thought has to be hyper-analyzed and broken down to its core motivation to make sure it's the right one. He's not analytical that way, such thoughts don't come to him naturally. Like a... series of second-guessing, that could make one think that every instinct is wrong. He's not sure he likes it. He knows he doesn't like the idea of trying to do it alone.

Maybe it is time.]


An expert... I didn't think of it as something I deserved or not. But you don't deserve to carry the burden of "fixing" me, either.
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[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-20 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Ah- no, I didn't... [He shifts a bit, uncomfortable about bringing it up again, but wanting to be honest and not give her the wrong idea.] That's just... what Era said. The "fixing" thing, about herself. It didn't sit right with me either.

[He's a mess, he knows that much, but he doesn't want to lean on the idea that he's broken in some way. And he doesn't see how that's a healthy way for her to think of herself either. One more thing that bothered him about their conversation and her method of treating her own issues. He doesn't want that for himself, he doesn't want to think of this as "fixing" himself. You don't fix people. You fix tools, you fix weapons. Whatever she might claim, they aren't either.

He slips his hand down between them to find hers again now that it's free, winding their fingers together.]


I'd like it... if you came with me. You don't have to stay or anything, just- [He glances down.] Get me through the door, I guess.

[It wouldn't be the first time he'd be tempted to run away from something just to pretend he's stronger than he is.]
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[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-20 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
Mm... thanks.

[His shoulders slump in relief, and he leans against her, letting her presence set him at ease as he's quiet for a little while. He hadn't expected a negative answer - especially since she'd offered to begin with - but it's still a relief to hear it said anyway. Perhaps his certainty in her answer is something he'll need to think about, or keep in mind to avoid taking advantage of it, but for now, he hopes that this comfort he's feeling is a mutual one.

Speaking of, though...]


...If you'll be there anyway... maybe there'd be someone to help you, too.
carbungle: <user name=fontech> (277)

[personal profile] carbungle 2021-04-20 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
Well... um... I think today kinda demonstrated that I'm not the best at helping with this sort of thing. Not every part of it, anyway.

[He made a monumental screw-up and only barely caught his mistake. It's one thing to try and make sure she doesn't accidentally take the blame for something that wasn't her fault, but it's another thing to give her the tools to push back on her own terms, and that's clearly something he'd fumbled to encourage. She shouldn't have to tell him to reassure her properly.]

I- you think it's a good idea for me, right? To not just rely on you comforting me all the time, but to get help from someone who actually knows what they're doing with this? [He makes a vague, spinning gesture towards his head.]

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